UNCONTROLLED OPPOSITION

10/20/2012

Every once in a while someone will comment on YouTube that I may be 'controlled opposition.' I want to address this directly.

What is controlled opposition?

When someone names the problem and then proposes UN Agenda 21 as the solution--that is controlled opposition. Example? THRIVE. That popular film describes what is happening now, validates every 'conspiracy theory', and makes you feel confident that the film is on the right track. If you notice, it never mentions UN Agenda 21 once in the entire film. Take a look at the last 1/4 of THRIVE. It proposes collective living, consensus governance, no borders, rethinking progress--it proposes UN Agenda 21 as the solution to the problem. Yes, this is all integral to the successful continued implementation of UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development. The film, in my opinion, was made because we are breaking through to the mainstream. It was made as a diversion. That is controlled opposition.

What's another example of controlled opposition?

Someone who cautions you not to name UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development as the source of your local comprehensive plans, and of regional government plans. This is a person who tells you that if you name it, you'll be considered crazy and not taken seriously. This is intended to redirect you and others away from the fact that UN Agenda 21 is a global totalitarian plan implemented locally. This controlled opposition technique keeps you in the weeds stumbling along instead of sailing strong against the current.

Now, I believe that those who are wrongly labeling me as controlled opposition fall into two camps. They are either ignorant or they are themselves controlled opposition.

I am speaking out in a message that is clear, strong, fact-based, and unchanging. I advocate for courage and resistance in the face of those who would attempt to shame, libel, embarrass, or hide the truth.

STAND UP. SPEAK OUT. BE THE RESISTANCE.

40 Comments

Trish Hodges

10/20/2012 11:36:54 am

Hi Rosa,

Your post is most interesting. The absence of mention of Agenda 21 in foster Gamble's "Thrive" is glaring. And in the Solutions section of the film there are many images of alternative energy, solar, wind; when if free energy machines were available on every block etc as depicted earlier in the film, green technology would be obsolete.

This cannot be an oversight, considering the very high production values of the film.

I know of so many wonderful people who love the Earth, personal liberty, and walk their talk, who innocently support Agenda 21 ideas, not even knowing the term, and therefore not knowing from where these ideas emanate; namely Eugenics.

Speaking of Proctor and Gamble. Bob Proctor, the coach prominent in "The Secret" project, may possibly be part of the Proctor family, as Foster Gamble is part of the Gamble family. I came to believe "The Secret" craze was a psyop.

You are suggesting that "Thrive" may be as well.

Ignoring Agenda 21 is a big red flag. Bravo.

There is also one Rothschild ( or more ) who presents himself as 'independent' of the family's agenda. But would the family tolerate such betrayal ?

I think not, since the systematic mind control of their children, from the womb, programs them to live their lives progressing the NWO Agenda.

Note from 2:00:46 a video of a Transition Town - Agenda 21 idea - plays in the background. Another red flag.

This controlled opposition is extremely sophisticated, and easy to miss, even by those who thought they could detect it.

No problem. Realise this is another con, and move on.

Thanks Rosa.

Guillermo

11/22/2012 06:35:37 am

INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS MADE BY AN AMERICAN AUTHOR
(First, excuse my non-native English)

Whether if the Agenda 21 is mainly good for humanity or an excuse for a totalitarian government I will not try to discuss here. All I want to express is that saying that the THRIVE Movie is controlled opposition is in my opinion hilarious, and sad.

I am not 100% sure, but from your post I can deduct that Rosa Koire is an American citizen. In my few years living in the US I have seen a systematic brainwash about what "socialism" entails and also other "isms" (including "capitalism")...United States is the country of private property and personal liberties for many, and the problem is that anything that goes in a different direction is seen as bad. But is it?? I agree that it may be the case in some instances, but it may not be in others. You wrote the following as an argument to say that Thrive is "controlled opposition":

Take a look at the last 1/4 of THRIVE. It proposes collective living, consensus governance, no borders, rethinking progress--it proposes UN Agenda 21 as the solution to the problem.

The movie does not say Agenda 21 anywhere, but because they do talk about "collective living, consensus governance, no borders, rethinking progress", then you assume it is a sophisticated attempt to divert attention and push the Agenda 21. Those are big (and incorrect) assumptions. Since when is any form of "collective living" ..."no borders".etc....detrimental? It can be if the people running the show (like nowadays) is corrupted and do not work for the benefit of all but just for their own. However, if done with respect not only the group but also for the individual (and that includes future generations) is not only beneficial but unavoidable in our future. Why? Because we humans live in a big community where we share resources and everything in between: is called the Planet Earth.

Rosa, you have to leave your individualistic worldviews (very American by the way) and realize that only the individual is free when the collective group is taken into account. On the other hand, the collective group (community) can only be liberating when the individual is also respected and considered. Both go hand in hand, and one extreme is not better than other. We need both at the same time, which is covered at the end of the movie where it says that we need both (the "democratic" and the "republican" approach)

Other false assumptions:
- Consensus governance. Bad? Since when? Is dictatorial better? We the people for the people, right?

- No borders. Bad? Since when? You are just too afraid to project yourself into the future and imagine a world without that nasty word: border. The earth belongs to all humans, and we should be free to work, travel, and live anywhere. This will only come when we have free energy (covered in the movie) and we understand living in communities for the benefit of all. Stop protecting "your lunch". That is your survival mechanism asking you to fight and protect "what is yours". The earth has plenty of resources (including energy) for all, and it is a tragedy that people have to move to find a better life. Once the energy monopolies..etc are gone, do not worry, nobody will want to move to US or Europe or anywhere to "get your lunch", but they will stay in their own countries. You are defending the all paradigm of social darwinism and scarcity, THRIVE is defending the new one where there is plenty for all and the need for borders is ridiculous.

- Rethinking progress. Bad? Since when? Thank goodness the cavemen rethought their progress, that is all I have to say.

The THRIVE movie has nothing to do with the Agenda 21, even though may have some ideas/principles in common (community living...etc). You think those concepts are intrinsically bad because of your conditioning (yes, you do have it, just like me), which has led you to make incorrect assumptions about what is good or bad.

THRIVE is a worldwide movement for the benefit of all humans not just US citizens, and it brings up issues as important and liberating as free energy for the world. A bright and abundant future where rethinking progress is not only important but critical to keep improving, where there is no borders and where communities thrive because their individuals also do so. That is our future, thank goodness.

Vicky Davis link

12/2/2012 04:19:26 am

Wow... an actual Utopian - Pollyanna. Tell me... how do you square your ideas with the reality that there are bad people in the world who seek power over others as an objective in life and they will use all means to get that power? Do you know what happens to sitting ducks?

The level of your delusion is fascinating. Do you really believe this nonsense or is it just that you think you can sell it to others? I have to tell you though, I don't know anybody who would buy what you're selling.

Guillermo

12/23/2012 12:45:27 am

You do not have to buy anything. The TRUTH is that the herd has never changed anything...only "utopians" ("Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead.). If you study history, most leaders were considered delusional until their ideas reached critical mass (google "the three stages of truth"). Gandhi is just one example. Thank goodness for delusional leaders and visionaries because they have changed the world and moved us forward, otherwise we would still be in caves.

Current science tell says "believe until you see, not the other way around". (watch: "What the bleep do we know?"). So it is up to us to believe in a better future if we want to see it one day.

Vicky Davis link

12/23/2012 01:31:23 am

Guillermo,

Your post is really funny to me. I'm actually one of the few people who can say that they spent their working life living the future. When I was a teenager, there was a program on TV called, "21st Century" - all about how technology was going to change the future. That was one of the efforts of Futurists to educate the public on how technology was going to change the world. I went on to become a computer systems designer and programmer - designing systems for that future. I was the first generation of non-scientists to do so.

In other words, I lived that future that you now think you understand. I can tell you that we are no where near the wonderful technological visions of the futurists 50 years ago. Instead of the freedom and prosperity they saw, we are increasingly controlled by the technology that was supposed to free us. The prosperity and leisure time we should have had due to increased productivity has been stolen - giving fewer and fewer people - more and more of the wealth through collectivization.

Dreams with no basis in reality are just delusions. A place for you to start, is to look at the collectivist systems that have been designed since 1991. That's not too hard of a task and it will be a dose of reality that you desperately need.

Barbara

10/23/2012 12:54:07 am

I am just now waking up to Agenda 21 and you have helped me. Thank you and please continue telling the truth. I will attempt to become informed enough to begin.

Jac

10/26/2012 06:28:46 am

I saw THRIVE and also noticed the last 1/4 or so echoing of collectivism... some of the groups featured in the end as supporters, like DEMOCRACY NOW, are very well known Marxist groups. The film seemed promising at first, but in the end it attacks capitalism and individualism. On the free energy issue, I noticed they didn't include legitimate companies making huge headway in that area, like Blacklight Power. Plus, there was lots more wrong about that film. Thanks for exposing THRIVE'S lies!

Chad Henson

10/29/2012 12:27:27 pm

In your statement you use the THRIVE movie as an example of controlled oposition and I wondered how much investigation you've done into that movement? Having woken up to the whole global domination agenda, I've become emersed in information gathering and have found the THRIVE sight and interviews with the Gambles to be very informative and interesting. I've seen true examples of dissinformation tactics and controlled oposition but, from what I've seen, Thrive is not one of them. If you go to their sight you will see at least 1 link on there to a sight with information on Agenda 21.(Check this link: http://www.thrivemovement.com/videos-list-gda-resource-tree). Beyond this, they speak a great deal about the liberty movement and decentralization of power and in interviews I've heard Foster Gamble give his support to both Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. What he presents in his movie and on his sight is a system of governance that honors personal liberty as being the fundamental basis of his vision of a new society and takes alot of his philosophies from people like Ed Griffin. He speaks a great deal on his sight about the global climate change agenda and how it is being used to manipulate people into supporting the global agenda; and provides links to information about this. I've not explored your sight enough to see what your proposals are beyond fighting agenda 21, but I believe you are legitamately trying to bring awareness to the population in an effort to build a better world; even though an argument could be made that you're intentions are to incite the population into an emotionally charged reactionary response that makes it easier for the globalists to justify bringing about the desired police state. The manipulation of our society goes way beyond just Agenda 21 and the more we can connect with open minds and hearts, the more we have a chance to resist the comming facist state. My hope is that you do more research into the Thrive movement because it has seemingly had a positive global impact that could be useful to spread this message. I would also look forward to hearing or reading any discussion you might have with the Gambles as I believe they would be open to it.

Trish Hodges

10/29/2012 05:59:02 pm

Hi Chad, I understand where you are coming from, but Agenda 21 is key to what is happening. It does not belong in a list of resources.

May I suggest you watch some of the material on Rosa's website.

People who have been refused permission to develop their private property. Farmers who are told they do not own the water that falls on their farms. Public banned from use of public land, then years later it is sold to public private partners, who reap a fortune from its development. County roads not being maintained. Light rail to be in every region and freeway on and offramps closed directing traffic between town areas. Stack and pack housing in mixed use town areas.

Watch Rosa's interview with Alex Jones - http://www.infowars.com/agenda-21-behind-the-green-mask-of-death/

Thrive should have a whole section on what an Agenda 21 world looks like. The public will not like what living in that world is like.

Trish

Trish Hodges

10/30/2012 08:12:23 am

This from David Icke's Wembley all day exposure of the NWO.

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/new_order_of_barbarians.html

Foster Gamble link

11/28/2012 05:31:02 am

Rosa – I have just been alerted to this uninformed and irresponsible depiction of THRIVE, so I want to respond. I admire your courage and commitment, but not yet your intellectual rigor or moral integrity.

I am, of course, fully aligned with you against Agenda 21. It is a coercive, deceptive scheme to further take over people’s property and freedom, herding them into urban areas while consolidating more wealth, power and resources for the banking elite who created the UN, which created this scam. I speak out about all of this continually in public talks and interviews. It would have been great if we had had time to cover it in our film. We had 400 hours of footage to condense to 2. We look forward to putting more about it on our website.

I haven’t seen anything about rape or pedophilia on your site or in your talks, but I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are against them.

You call us “controlled opposition” – which is utterly false – even slanderous, but you provide no evidence whatsoever. Who are you claiming is controlling us? You are claiming that I spent decades researching, risked my life, exhausted most of my resources in 8 years creating the film and website...in order to create a distraction? Please enter any substantiation into this thread right away for us and all to see!

You say that the movie promotes “collective living, consensus government... and re-thinking progress.” All completely contrary to everything we are for. We are against the borders of illusionary “nation states” but for the boundaries of rightfully gained private property. So please present any shred of proof or at least some time-codes from the movie that could possibly justify your fallacious accusations.

How to get from an emerging police state to a free society is the big challenge and we offer the outline of a 3 Stage transition plan in the movie and in every Sector article on our website. It honors the best of the liberal, conservative and libertarian values while transcending all their limitations. Check it out!

It is said that a person with only a hammer will see nails everywhere. Your pre-occupation with your stance against Agenda 21 seems to prevent you from recognizing allies when you come across them.

But here’s the big catch. The fundamental problem with Agenda 21 is its mandatory coercion – fraud, theft and the initiation of force, backed up by assumed authority over others. And that is the same corruption at the core of the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party and all the rest of what’s done behind the veil of “government.” The ‘state” has proven itself to be the most destructive and deadly forcein human history. How does it feel to endorse candidates who take people’s money against their will and then spend it on wars of aggression, GMOs, torture, assassinations, corporate subsidies, bailouts, fake interest to the Federal Reserve, telling people who can marry and...yes, on Agenda 21?!!!

If this peaks your interest at all, have a look at The Most Dangerous Superstition, By Larken Rose and then let’s talk. We each might learn something.
Thanks for listening,
Foster Gamble

Kay Tokerud

12/7/2012 11:42:50 pm

Foster Gamble's e-mail to Rosa Koire debunked

FG said-Rosa-I have just been alerted to this uninformed and irresponsible depiction of THRIVE, so I want to respond. I admire your courage and commitment, but not yet your intellectual rigor or moral integrity.

Response: This statement amounts to name calling to someone who opposes Thrive's messages and doesn't buy into it at all. Foster offers no back-up to these allegations concerning Rosa's knowledge and research regarding UN Agenda 21. Foster, in Thrive makes many unsubstantiated claims which are well documented by the movie's many critics.

FG said-I am, of course, fully aligned with you against Agenda 21.

Response: FG's solution to most if not all world problems sounds almost exactly like Agenda 21 itself, social equity (3 E's), community self- government, erasures of national boundaries, shrinking the military of the United States, eliminating fossil fuels, which would hurt the United States the most, and the vision of a glorious future. This globalist seems to be anti-American, anti-capitalism and pro global redistribution on all counts. If he's against UN Agenda 21 he had ample opportunity to say so in his 2 hour film.

FG said-It (UN Agenda 21) is a coercive, deceptive, scheme to further take over people's property and freedom, herding them into urban areas while consolidating more wealth, power and resources for the banking elite who created the UN, which created this scam.

Response: This simplistic depiction of UN Agenda 21 makes it sound like Agenda 21 is being carried out mostly by bankers. In actuality, other players include local, regional, state, and federal boards, commissions, agencies and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of non-profit groups known as NGO's affiliated and recognized by the United Nations, a consortium of upwards of leaders of about 200 countries. Government agencies, non-profits, small and large corporations, have VOLUNTARILY accepted and are promoting the implementation of UN Agenda 21. I agree that Agenda 21 has advanced stealthily and seeks to move us into urban areas but none of this is in the movie. In Thrive, FG refers to the multitudes of environmental non-profits as part of the solution to the world's problems when they are in fact part of the problem.

FG said-I speak out about all of this continually in public talks and interviews. It would have been great if we had had time to cover it in our film. We had 400 hours of footage to condense to 2. We look forward to putting more about it on our website.

Response: Perhaps if PG had spent less time affirming just about every conspiracy theory out there, he could have found a few seconds to discuss the totally factual existence of UN Agenda 21. If he's been actively speaking out against UN Agenda 21 I would think that Rosa Koire who spends more than 14 hours a day researching every aspect of UN Agenda 21 would have seen this. Thrive's glaring omission of UN Agenda 21 is more than suspect. If he did include it in the film, he would have had to include as perpetrators of Agenda 21 the NGO's that he regards as the people that will usher in the glorious future. FG can't have it both ways so he just omitted any mention of UN Agenda 21, Sustainable Development, communitarianism, the works. Where was the mention of high-density urban housing? The Wildlands Project? Scenic Byways? The American Planning Association? Regionalization? and on and on. My belief is that FG supports these efforts which are all geared towards reducing or eliminating people's ability to own private property and live in rural areas. FG craftily reverses the roles of Agenda 21 perpetrators by making them the heroes in Thrive. He separates the perpetrators of Agenda 21 into two groups: One, the evil bankers/large corporations/United States(which he consistently bashes), and Two, the good environmentalists groups. In fact both of these groups are actively engaged in the PROMOTION of UN Agenda 21. The wolves and the sheep are already merged in perpetrating the green mask which simply serves to cover-up the true intentions of those wishing to form a one world government system being organized by members of the UN.

FG said-I haven't seen anything about rape or pedophilia on your site or in your talks, but I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are against them.

Response: OMG where do I start with this little nugget. I have no idea why he said this. Why would Rosa's website or talks ever mention these two illegal activities? Is he insinuating something or making a veiled threat? Or does he have an abnormal preoccupation with these subjects that we don't know about. FG needs to explain these off-the-wall comments.

FG said-You call us "controlled opposition"- which is utterly false-even slanderous, but you provide no evidence whatsoever. Who are you claiming is controlling us? You are claiming that I spent decades researching, risked my life

Kay Tokerud

12/7/2012 11:45:56 pm

FG's comment continued: exhausted most of my resources in 8 years creating the film and website...in order to create a distraction? Please enter any substantiation into this thread right away for us and all to see!

Response: FG apparently thinks "controlled opposition" means that someone is controlling him. That's not the meaning. It means that he is an operative for the other side pretending to be 'one of us' so he can lead us in another direction. My belief is that he made the movie to influence people like Rosa Koire and other detractors of UN Agenda 21 to influence them into believing that everything is going to work out fine once the new AGENDA is implemented. Unfortunately, his idea of the new agenda is the same as Agenda 21 which is supported and paid for by the biggest banks and the corporations that he condemns. He seems to be very upset that Rosa Koire didn't buy into it. The movie worked with some people, mainly those who are not well-informed or are easily duped. I don't really know what he went through to make Thrive and I don't really care, are we supposed to feel sorry for him who grew up with a silver spoon?

FG said-You say that the movie promotes "collective living, consensus government...and rethinking progress." All completely contrary to everything we are for. We are against the borders of illusionary "nation states" but for the boundaries of rightfully gained private property. So please present any shred of proof or at least some time-codes from the movie that could possibly justify your fallacious accusations.

Response: You just hung yourself right here. "against the borders of illusionary "nation states" "? You mean like the borders of the United States or Israel perhaps? UN Agenda 21 has as one of its goals to break down borders and boundaries and create regions governed by unelected boards in many cases. And what do you consider to be "rightfully gained private property"? Are you implying that some private property owners don't really own their property? Would it then be OK to take some people's property away from them? Sure sounds like you do. UN Agenda 21 promotes government control of property under the guise of protecting the environment. Your statements seem to be closely aligned with this philosophy. While you may have mouthed your support for private property ownership, the above statement belies this.

PG said-How to get from an emerging police state to a free society is the big challenge and we offer the outline of a 3 Stage transition plan in the movie and in every Sector article on our website. It honors the best of the liberal, conservative, and libertarian values while transcending all their limitations. Check it out.

Response: Sounds like FG has all the answers to save the world. What a crock. I just rewatched the movie and didn't see any workable solutions suggested. Thrive is one man's fantasy that people will radically change themselves into better human beings although there's no evidence to suggest this. More likely, his pie-in-the-sky approach to saving the world will lead to further erosion of the individual rights we have left. The "emerging police state" as FG puts it has already advanced to an alarming degree and telling people that everything will work out just fine is irresponsible. It's much better to work with the existing governmental systems and try to change them for the better than to think that by ignoring them and believing in fantasies is better. By not fighting the system you are merely giving them the green light to further advance their control. Rosa Koire's message is to resist the advancement of their control. FG is not "aligned" with Rosa's Koire's message at all. FG is a pacifist.

FG said-It is said that a person with only a hammer will see nails everywhere. Your pre-occupation with your stance against Agenda 21 seems to prevent you from recognizing allies when you come across them.

Response: Not sure what this is supposed to mean but this statement reveals that FG is not in alignment with Rosa Koire as he previously stated above. Fighting against UN Agenda 21 is what Rosa Koire specializes in. A reasonable person would expect for her to recognize an ally when she comes across one. There have been many infiltrators into the anti-Agenda 21 movement and they are a constant problem that she deals with regularly. FG has all the telltale signs of controlled opposition.

FG said-But here's the big catch. The fundamental problem with Agenda 21 is its mandatory coercion-fraud, theft and the initiation of force, backed up by assumed authority over others. And that is the same corruption at the core of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party and all the rest of what's done behind the veil of "government". The 'state' has proven itself to be the most destructive and deadly force in human history. How does it feel to endorse candidates who take people's money against their w

Dianne Cox

11/30/2012 07:02:20 am

Dear Foster and Rosa,
You both deserve a great deal of respect. You are both courageous and your openness is a testament to your honesty. Foster, you make an excellent point. There is so much lying and corruption within the system, that we may miss the opportunity for powerful alliances. Thank you both for being those rare, honest, powerful forces that seem too good to be true! Let's thrive on...together:)

Foster Gamble

12/1/2012 11:13:58 am

Thanks, Dianne. Time is too short for petty squabbles based on lack of research. We need to find common cause and get on with it.

Kay Tokerud

12/7/2012 11:54:33 pm

Foster Gamble's Comments Debunked Continued:
FG said: How does it feel to endorse candidates who take people's money against their will and then spend it on warts of aggression, GMO's, torture, assassinations, corporate subsidies, bailouts, fake interest to the Federal Reserve, telling people who can marry and ...yes, on
agenda 21?!!!

Response: First, FG's characterization of Agenda 21 is inaccurate as the plan was voluntarily agreed to by leaders of 179 nations. The above allegations would be very hard to prove and cannot be substantiated in any meaningful way. The mandates, etc. may be being carried out by some governments that have signed onto Agenda 21 however. FG then goes on to characterize all major U.S. political groups as having evil cores that hide behind "government". He then demonizes all governments with one broad brush stroke. Is this what a reasonable person would say? These are gross exaggerations at best. Exaggeration is a characteristic of controlled opposition. Then "candidates" running for office are evil too he says, that "take people's money against their will" and use it for all kinds of evil deeds. FG falsely accuses mere "candidates running for office. Even if he had said government officials instead of candidates it would still be a gross exaggeration that cannot be proven. If any of these allegations could be proven, why has he not filed complaints against any of the perpetrators of these crimes. Rosa Koire, on the other hand, has actually reported a politician for corruption and he just lost an election to the California State assembly. This is how to change corruption in a government. FG has an almost childish belief that if we just go into a state of denial and wish and hope for a better world that it will happen.

In conclusion, Foster Gamble is either ignorant or a tool. Either one of these options is a negative, and neither inspires confidence that THRIVE is anything other than CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.

Vicky Davis link

12/8/2012 12:11:12 am

Dianne,

Did you actually watch the movie to the end? The "village" he shows at the end of the movie as the ideal living environment is right straight out of Agenda 21.

Foster has an ivy league education. There is absolutely no chance - none - that he doesn't understand that Agenda 21 is the source for that vision.

Dianne Cox

12/10/2012 08:36:18 am

Hi Vicky, Thanks for the question. I have watched Thrive many times, and understand your concerns. Below are examples of my correspondence regarding Agenda 21 on the Thrive site:

Dear Thrive:  Regarding Agenda 21: It doesn't seem to be specifically mentioned in a sector. Is that because it runs through many sectors?  For example, in the "Education for Sustainable Development Toolkit" by Rosalyn McKeown, Ph.D. it states, "Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people, who tend to have lower incomes. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability." In other words, for environmental "sustainability", a.k.a. Global Domination of the masses, it's better for the masses to be poorly educated!!!  Agenda 21 is a major tool the elite are using to implement their plan. Should it be included in the "How the agenda is implemented" section under Global Domination?
 
  Foster_Gamble • 5 months ago
I fully agree about Agenda 21 being dangerous and insidious. I would like to add an article about it, but will not have time to write it before the fall. Any suggestions of excellent summaries to reference? 

My response:
 Rosa Koire at http://www.democratsagainstuna... has done tremendous research on Agenda 21 and even wrote a book called "Behind the Green Mask." She is in California and would probably love to help.

Mon, 26 Nov 2012 @ 03:12 PM My response to a Thrive movement member who read Rosa's assessment of Thrive:
Hi Guillermo,
Thank you for your post. Rosa Korie’s blog can be found at www.democratsagainstagenda21.com. After reading her book and observing her work, she does not seem to be a greedy person “protecting her lunch”. She is intelligent and caring, and would give her lunch to a hungry person; she just doesn’t want it stolen by greedy elitists. Agenda 21 is the local implementation of the global domination plan, so one wonders why it is not thoroughly addressed in Thrive. A borderless world can only be possible with a non-aggression principle and true freedom, which Thrive supports. As a person who sees the beautiful, positive message of Thrive, and the serious detrimental effects of Communitarianism, I hope the Thrive team will contact Rosa Korie or appear together on Infowars to clear things up. Rosa is a pioneer and whistleblower regarding global tyranny implemented locally, and definitely someone who would be an asset to Thrive.

A quick story of my Quest for Truth:
Believing the two party system illusion, I climbed aboard the republican "ship" in support of liberty and personal responsibility. Everything seemed real on the deck with liberty in sight.
Then about a year and a half ago, Glenn Beck briefly mentioned Agenda 21. I looked it up on the internet and saw an Infowars YouTube video with Rosa Koire. That's when I saw a little tear in the scenery. The view of liberty was a facade and could be peeled back! Everything was a lie... the ""ship" was actually heading for the same iceberg as the Democrat party. Stepping through the tear in the false scenery, I saw Rosa building an alternative ship away from the communitarian iceberg ahead. Now aware of the existence of a propaganda created reality, I began a new journey for truth. Truth is not afraid of questions; Truth is open; Truth is honest. Now I am out here, trying to find out who is contributing to the path away from tyranny, while I run back into the boat trying to wake people up to the facade of Lies.
I have not rejected the Thrive Movement because:
1. Although it shows towns with bikes and people walking at the end of the movie, talks about sustainability, and has Van Jones as a pioneer, the main principle in Thrive is non-violation and voluntarism. One of Thrive's motives is to bring people together. People are so committed to their party identity, maybe Thrive felt the need to represent leftist concerns, so people wouldn't have to give up their identity to support Liberty.
Here is a quote from Foster Gamble in the Liberty Solutions:

"And herein lies the problem. The lethal misunderstanding is that the “collective” – which is just a term for the idea of a group, should have more say than the individual. The collective, however is just an abstraction, a concept. The individual is real! At the human level, the fundamental wholeness, the quantum, the basic torus energy field, is the individual person – not a group.
Wrongly assuming the rights of the collective to be more important than the individual has always lead to tyranny and is the operative underpinning of all governments and ultimately responsible for most of the death and destruction on the planet."

2. The Gambles and the Thrive team have always been open to anyone's questions and seemed to have answered trut

Vicky Davis link

12/10/2012 09:51:47 am

Dianne,

This looks like I'm replying to my own comment, but I'm replying to your response to my comment.

I'm a pragmatist not a dreamer so when I see people write things like this:

Thrive is non-violation and voluntarism.

I apply it to the real world and real people and I ask the question, "Is that going to work?". The answer is No... it won't work.

I'm sure that Foster means well, but there is a reality gap between people like Gamble and the regular, every day people. Foster lives in a world of priviledge and has never wanted for anything. As such, he has no business promoting solutions for anybody except perhaps his own family because he has no concept of life outside of wealth and priviledge and perhaps you don't either Dianne.

It's unfortunate but this is not a good forum for this kind of discussion. I would have to write a book to explain what I'm talking about so suffice it to say that ideas discussed in polite society in the rarified air of academics does not translate to the street level.

Vicky Davis link

12/2/2012 09:46:35 am

Rosa,

Thanks for bringing this movie to my attention again. When it first came out, I tried to watch it but as soon as I figured out the objective I navigated away to go do something else.

Gamble said it took him 8 years to make it. It would take at least a year to pull it apart to explain how each subject was carefully selected and presented to guide the viewer in their thinking. This film deserves an academy award for propaganda, fantasy, special effects, futurism and a special award for how they took bits of truth and twisted them to make it appear that they oppose the New World Order when in fact, they ARE the New World Order and all of their "solutions" are the implemented vision of Agenda 21.

I can't go through all of it so I'll just point out a few things. First, the anchor theme is that the world will become Disneyland if only the big bad oil companies would let them produce free energy. If you noticed, the "free energy" machines they showed were small enough to sit on a table top. Ok... I'll buy that. Then they said that people who had actually produced working machines were shut down and one guy was even killed. The $200 trillion dollar oil business is keeping these little guys from building their machines. Logic check... if you have an actual working machine and you know the big guys will never bring it to market... what's the solution? You distribute the plans for people to build it themselves. The big guys can stop one man or two men, but they can't stop a million men. If anybody actually had a working model, Foster Gamble's money would be better spent distributing the plans than producing this slick propaganda film - that is IF he really believes what he says.

The truth is that "free energy" is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The use of the idea is a marketing tool for deindustrialization and if that happens, we won't be living in the Utopia they present.

I especially like the part where he talked about the regional Economic Unions - European Union, African Union, American Union and Pacific Union. He attributes those structures to the 'New World Order'. Then he talks about the ThriveMovement as a network of networks. He also talks about Systems Thinking. The connection here is that part of the plan for elimination of the nation-state is the global-to-local networks with local networks of people implementing global edicts through local privatized, special interest groups.

Another of my favorites was the reference to "toxic water". Gamble said he was inspired by Buckminster Fuller and it's obvious in the beautifully presented torus. Fuller was fond of talking about the "completely recycleable universe". According to Fuller, "we've taken all the resources from the earth that we need. All we have to do is recycle everything". In one place in the movie, Gamble mentions toxic water. The toxic water isn't just the floride. The toxic water is the closed loop systems in our municipal water and waste water systems. Toilet to tap - completely recycled. It's not implemented everywhere yet - but they are working on it.

That is just the barest glimpse at the sickness of these New World Order - Agenda 21 deviants. They have used computer systems to model their idea of a perfect system of living and they are trying to impose that vision on the rest of us. That "perfect system" is a fantasy because people don't and won't ever conform to the model and if they ever do, then God helps us because they won't be human anymore.

Rob

12/8/2012 08:14:59 am

IMAGINE endless energy for all. A simple example is IF you ever owned your own home and had the worry of plumbing! If you have ever been responsible for your own home - you (the current President of the U.S. can NOT understand this point..) would surely understand the stress of assuing YOUR WATER IS NOT DRIPPING. Imagine a world with such free municiple water - why would you ever worry about turning it off? A few simple equations from physics will remind you the whole system will greatly suffer due to lack of pressure. Same is true for these other FREE SHARED RESOURCES. No ownership, no care. The current US Pres has an ardent LOVE of the U.N., and seemingly disdain for US folk.

Vicky Davis link

12/8/2012 08:59:20 am

I'm not trying to be unkind Rob, but your thinking is disjointed and your example of water and a municipal water system is not analogous to point I think you are trying to make relative to 'free energy'.

The concept of free energy that Foster Gamble (and all the 'free energy' people) promote is that this free energy can be obtained from some little machine that magically produces energy presumably from the atmosphere.

You say: ownership matters. Yes, it does - most of the time but in this particular case, assuming that what Gamble says about the oil industry blocking the 'free energy' devices is true, they would never allow the machines to be built so ownership is not a factor because it can't ever be. Since that is the case, then the best revenge against the big bad oil companies is to put them out of business with the distribution of the blueprints for 'free energy' and then worry about ownership afterwards. Since the main message in THRIVE is utopia and universal love and all that warm and fuzzy bovine excrement, ownership of a patent for something that would change the world seems insignificant don't you think?

Dianne Cox

12/10/2012 09:20:42 am

Why I have not rejected Thrive continued:
2. The Gambles and the Thrive team have been open to any questions and seem to answer truthfully.
3. The Gambles son Trevor Z. Gamble inspired his parents, and wrote "The Secrets to Nonviolent Prosperity: The Principles of Liberty".
In the book, Trevor writes, "we can see how our rights are increasingly being treated as negotiable. The dark possibility certainly is not inevitable, but we are headed in a direction of more and more over our lives being in hands other than our own."
4. Thrive has a positive message. Due to normalcy bias and fear, many people will not look at Truth.
Questions I still have about Thrive:
1. Does Thrive reject the Hegelian Dialectic and Communitarianism?
2. The Spirit Science advertised on their site and the fact that college credit for Thrive is available at "Gaia" university.
3. Agenda 21 should have a larger focus. Did Thrive focus individual components of Agenda 21 in the sectors rather than the whole?
4. "Rodeo clown" Glenn Beck kept the "mad bull" tea party active with the restoring rallies. We need action, not distraction.

Only with everyone working on a non-communitarian "ship", can we sail to a world of Liberty and protected individual rights.

Dianne Cox

12/11/2012 09:44:55 am

Vicky,
Not that it should matter, but I grew up in a middle class neighborhood, in the "real" world. Anyone can dream. As they say, "the best things in life are free" It seems unfair to say that Foster Gamble has "no business promoting solutions for anybody" just because he was born into a wealthy family.
Rosa Koire is a heroine of mine and surely this forum has room for both pragmatists and dreamers.
To quote Brian Tracy, success expert, "All successful people are big dreamers. They imagine what their future could be, ideal in every respect, and then they work every day toward their distant vision, that goal or purpose."

It's important to know your enemies, and the globalists are definitely dreamers to have dreamed up this evil plan.

Regarding the practicality of voluntarism, you better tell the Champion of the Constitution, Dr. Ron Paul, it won't work. In his farewell speech to congress- he advocates it.

Why is Disney World is the number one vacation spot? Because people like sparkle, magic, and warm, fuzzy feelings. Haven't you seen the deer-in-the-headlights look when you tell people about Agenda 21 and psychopaths wanting to control their every move?

A positive message enabled our Thrive Lancaster County group to set up a table Right next to the Sierra Club at a Sustainability Conference. We handed out Agenda 21 information and suggested Rosa's book to many environmentalists. They Listened.
Thrive may have deceptive intent, but isn't it important to clearly expose truth? What good is it to shut down dialog?

Vicky Davis link

12/11/2012 01:43:17 pm

Dianne,

I have no problem with dreamers or dreaming. In fact, my objective with the work that I do is to try and ensure that America's young people have a free country with free movement so that they can follow their dreams and have the opportunity to achieve them. With the full implementation of Agenda 21 and the technocracy that is integral to it, freedom will be a thing of the past forever.

The globalists are less dreamers than they are stone cold Systems Analysts and designers. The "sustainable" world they designed is a world of control, rationing, artificial scarcity and fear.

Foster Gamble is a Pied Piper. He paints a beautiful picture of a world that will never be. The world that is being built is a virtual prison with surveillance, tracking, measurements, restrictions, rationing and ultimately, eldercide (elders are not sustainable) and eugenics. Children won't decide their own path. It will be chosen for them and their options in life will be limited by parameters in their cradle-to-grave school-work history.

Foster Gamble and his family now and in the future will be exempt from the most heinous aspects of the "sustainable" world. That's why I said he has no business attempting to sell these ideas. He won't be hurt by them no matter what.

I'm not a fan of Ron Paul nor am I a fan of libertarians. Taking a vacation to Disneyland is a little different than envisioning a world where you live in Disneyland. Selling people on the idea that they will be living in Disneyland when the reality is that they will be living in Folsom Prison without the bars - beautiful view of the Bay but not for the eyes of the "workers" is wrong.

It is important to tell the truth; the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And that's what I do. I'm a little baffled as to why you think it's ok to sell one vision of Agenda 21 that is a lie - while giving them Rosa's book. It doesn't compute.

Dianne Cox

12/12/2012 02:05:47 am

Vicky,
Respectfully, you are "baffled" due to misunderstanding the point. In No Way do I advocate selling a lie about Agenda 21. I am talking about telling "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" about Agenda 21 presented in a way liberals will listen.

Clearly exposing truth is the reason I suggested Rosa and the Gambles cross paths. I am still trying to find out the truth regarding Thrive, but it seems prejudiced to call Foster Gamble a Pied Piper without even talking to him.
Rosa sat down with Glenn Beck, a self-proclaimed "rodeo clown" and perhaps, pied piper extraordinaire. Why not at least talk to Foster Gamble before judging him?
Don't you find it interesting that Glenn Beck writes a "fiction" book, holds it up with Rosa's book and then sites like Alternet post, "Glenn Beck Has the Paranoid Conspiracy World Cowering with Agenda 21"? (by Thom Hartmann and Sam Sacks at www.alternet.org) The article implies "conspiracy theorists" are taking a fiction book and making it into reality. Could that be the reason the UN took down their Agenda 21 plan a few days ago? After all, it's just "fiction"...right?
Actually, I feel jealous of your confidence in your judgements. Personally, the more answers I find, the more questions I have. For instance, now I am curious, what specifically are you opposed to in Ron Paul's platform?

Dianne Cox

12/12/2012 02:06:53 am

Vicky Davis link

12/12/2012 02:43:55 am

I'm not misunderstanding a thing. The entire movie Thrive is a lie because it attempts to put the principles of Agenda 21 in a fairy tale setting - making it seem an attractive and desirable future when the reality is that it is psychopathic.

I don't need to talk to Foster Gamble. His movie talked for him. That's why he made it.

I agree that Glenn Beck is also a Pied Piper and I was not at all happy about a fiction book about Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is a serious subject with serious consequences for the future. It deserves serious treatment. Beck gave the opposition - the Agenda 21 proponents ammunition and for that, he deserves as much criticism as I give to Foster Gamble.

My confidence in my judgement is because I was a Systems Analyst and I've had to discover - piece by piece what is really going on in this country. Obviously, I can't sum up 10 years of research in a few words, but I can tell you that the convergence of radical, fear-based environmentalism combined with technology and the marketing of that technology - coupled with a merger of government and corporations for the design of systems has put the world and all of the world's people at risk of being subjugated to a global totalitarian system of control. Any and all attempts to put a pretty face on that puts everybody at risk. People need to see it for what it is and fight it for what it will mean for their children and grandchildren.

On the front page of my website on the right hand side, you'll see a box titled, Reagan's Insurgency from Within: Libertarians and the Rise of Technocratic Fascism. You could read the research I have posted there to get an idea why I'm opposed to Libertarians. The long and short of it is that I despise deceivers.

Dianne Cox

12/12/2012 12:52:23 pm

Vicky,
What is the address of your website? I will definitely check it out. :)

Does Agenda 21 include the globalists being brought to justice and taken out of power? Does it include a lifestyle free from oppression, surveillance, the NDAA, the TSA, indoctrinated education, taxes etc.? The Thrive movie ends with the global domination agenda Abolished. To say the Thrive Movie ends with the horrors of Agenda 21 in place, and everyone just loving their RDIF chipped, SMART controlled prison is incorrect.
That being said, there could be a Hidden agenda, and I value your expertise in that area. Thanks for the interesting discussion.

Vicky Davis link

12/12/2012 02:08:44 pm

Notice that my name on this post is in red. That's because it's a hyperlink to my website. Just click on it.

Your response is case in point of one of the biggest problems with the Thrive movie. Thrive is fiction based upon the idealized vision of the implementation of Agenda 21 and apparently it has the happiest of endings. There is not going to be that kind of happy ending either with Foster Gamble's utopian vision nor with the world that I see coming.

As I said in my first post, it would take a year to pull apart the Thrive movie to explain all of the propaganda aspects of it. I'll give you one. The idea of free energy. What is the "free energy" really? Wind and solar - except that they are not free. What the wind and solar people did was to make it necessary to have a computer control system built over the top of the electric grid (smart grid) including smart meters. The purpose of the smart meters is record both inputs and outputs to the electric grid. The utility companies were attempting to put smart meters on everybody's home even though they are not in-feeders to the grid. What those smart meters enable is for the utility companies to manage your electric use right down to the temperature in your home and what time of day you'll be allowed to use your washer and dryer. That's a quick walk through a complex system. There isn't a direct line for you to follow if you are not familiar with the technology, systems, the legislation that has been phased in and the project phase in process for systems of that size and complexity. Without the background knowledge and technical knowledge, the viewer of the Thrive movie is left to think that just down the road, they will be able to buy a magic machine that will give them "free energy" and they will no longer have to worry about paying the electric bill. IMO, that's an evil and cruel joke.

Explaining systems to non-systems people is very difficult. Systems are ideas encoded electronically. On one level, Agenda 21 is about conservation and efficiency - both of which sound like good things. When you add computer control systems to enforce conservation and efficiency in a "continuous improvement loop" you have the equivalent of being trapped in a vise grip with somebody continually turning the handle until they squeeze the very life out of you.

That's Agenda 21 as a concept coupled with the technology to accomplish the goals.

That's the best I can do here but there is lots of info on my website.

geoffrey

1/25/2014 01:07:37 pm

thrive being controled opposition, my thoughts, notice how vauge thrive gets on things like disagrements and conflict? how they leave everything up to an artificial intelligance to reslove and manage every issue? it all sounds "inviting" but thats the point, to suck us into it, a con in other words, where most of the folks involved do not see that they are being used as leverage for the con.

what do they say, 90% truth, 10% lies for disinformation? that means that we have to use our desernment on ALL information and groups.

i have found alex jones, david ike, coast to coast am to be 3 of the most popular groups that are controled opposition. most of the non government orginisations are part of this.

using neral linguistic programing and a host of "mind control" technologies/techniques we are rapidily beign "transformed" under a transhuminist agenda

so it the bankers right? the rothchilds? thats were the money trail ends? no, the vadican charters all banks, the rothchilds were given the "honour" of being the guardians of the vadician treasury, so it seems we are still under the yoke of the roman empire with bloodlines of so called elites going back to summerian.

great work, keep it up

geoffrey

1/25/2014 01:16:13 pm

oh and as for the name democrats against agenda 21, we come on folks, are you all realy still trapped in the duopolopy of left/right, democrates and republicans, in fact all parties and politicians are compromised by the elites.

lose that agenda please, otherwise it just looks like you are, you know, one of them. :)

how about calling it "folks against agenda 21"?????

geoffrey

1/25/2014 03:45:43 pm

VATICAN, how you got Life after Death through the Cestui Que Vie Trust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6T2RN40n1M

we-R-one

5/9/2014 04:03:28 am

Hi Rosa, thank you for all your hard work in regards to educating the masses on Agenda 21. I refer many to your site and often come back myself when doing personal research on this dreaded topic. I just happened to scroll down and read the comments of this page and felt the need to add my two cents with the hope of getting Foster Gamble to respond.
Foster you state ‘lack of research’ in reference to THRIVE being called out as an AGENDA 21 front, but I would have to ask you the same, where’s your research?....There are so many members on your website who have ties to the UNITED NATIONS…in fact, so much so, it can’t be any more obvious that your ‘movement’ is nothing more than a facade to promote the policies and procedures of AGENDA 21, otherwise, why would any of these progressives on your website agree to align with THRIVE? Are you really that naïve? I’m not here to make fun of your efforts, but from a viewer’s perspective who researches….you seem oblivious to the activities of your fellow THRIVE ‘pioneers’. Let’s take a look at a few shall we?

Andrew Langford and Liora Adler, the founders of Gaia University, in which you promote on your site, are both involved with the UNITED NATIONS. Liora, claims on her bio, “Liora has been a global leader in the ecovillage movement and was an executive board member of the Global Ecovillage Network from 1999 - 2003. She currently serves on its International Advisory Board and as a representative to the United Nations. She is also an advisory board member of the and vice-president of The Global Village Institute for Appropriate Technology.”

Andrew on the other hand, “He is the author of Designing Productive Meetings and Events, a field manual for UN Agenda 21 facilitators, and a recognized teacher of Re-evaluation Counseling, which promotes the discharge of internal distress and resolution of rigid, patterned thinking as primary routes towards the emergence of healthy, intelligent human cultures.”

Here’s the Gaia University promoted on your site: http://www.thrivemovement.com/study
And here’s the link to Andrew and Liora’s about us page: http://www.thrivemovement.com/study

Next…..
Norman G. Kurkland- looks like he’s a proponent of UNITED NATIONS policies and procedures, just take a look at this site he links to from his GLOBAL JUSTICE MOVEMENT webpage: http://www.greattransition.org/ Seems like an endorsement to me. If you explore further into what the Great Transition Initiatives is about, you will find your UNITED NATIONS link. Click on this UN website and you will see GTI located here: http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?page=view&type=1006&menu=1348&nr=1635

Moving on……
Satish Kumar another THRIVE ‘pioneer’ can be found on this site as an advisor for: www.ourfutureplanet.org , in which board members seem to believe in the pseudoscience of climate change that the UNITED NATIONS likes to support. Found on the Our Future Planet website, UNITED NATIONS FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE http://www.ourfutureplanet.org/newsletters/resources/fact_sheet_copenhagen_background_information.pdf

The Weather Channel co-founder is quite vocal about what he thinks of climate change.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/05/07/600-page-litany-of-doom-weather-channel-co-founder-john-coleman-slams-obama-climate-report-a-total-distortion-of-the-data-and-agenda-driven-destructive-episode-of-bad-science-gone-berserk/

Aqeela Sherrills seems like a good guy, till you peruse his site and find this on the front page, "Hail to the chief": http://transform.transformativechange.org/
No doubt in my mind this person is an advocate for Agenda 21 if he wants to ‘hail’ someone of the likes of Obama. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, is AGENDA 21, and if you think it isn’t, I can provide a timeline of its inception into this country via Executive Order 12852 in which Obama is fully promoting its policies and procedures via the various federal branches within our country who have systematically been implementing the AGENDA 21 blueprint since the early 90’s. Though it might not be obvious to some, just the word ‘transformative’ is a well used buzz word signifying UNITED NATION connections.

Barbara Marx Hubbard- Another UNITED NATIONS aficionado in which the feeling appears to be mutual. Her Foundation of Conscious Evolution I believe received funding via the U.N. and as you explore Barbara more, it’s no secret she has many ties not only to the U.N. but Rockefeller funding too.

Should I keep going? Seriously Foster, you want us to believe that you had no idea that many of your THRIVE pioneers are UNITED NATION promoters? You tout your ‘ivy league’ education http://www.gaiauniversity.org/foster-gamble-kimberly-carter-gamble

….so I find it hard to believe this is an

we-R-one

5/9/2014 04:10:08 am

….so I find it hard to believe this is an oversight on your part, but rather a purposefully orchestrated steering of a new state of consciousness, into a predetermined web of lies and deceits which will further implement and promote a takeover of the population via AGENDA 21 concepts and ideals. With all due respect Foster, you’re delusional if you think ‘we the people’, are going to follow individuals on your team who clearly align themselves with UNITED NATIONS protocols and rules through their participation in its organization and that of its partners/NGO’s. You bet many of us are ‘preoccupied with Agenda 21! How can we not be when it’s being crammed down our thoughts at every angle? But to understand this you would have to do the proper research in order to easily identify the takeover, research I’m not seeing within your THRIVE MOVEMENT, otherwise if you were truly anti-AGENDA 21, you wouldn’t be promoting half of these people who appear to be nothing more than wolves in sheep clothing.

Rosa Koire

5/9/2014 04:56:52 am

Thank you for this comment, we-R-one.

I'll be on a panel with Foster Gamble today in Los Angeles and will be quite interested to talk with him.

Although he updated his site with links to Democrats Against UN Agenda 21 he seems to think that membership in ICLEI is the only indication that a municipality is implementing UNA21/SD. This is, of course, incorrect.

I have sent him full direct documentation of the US implementation through PCSD/Fed policy changes and grants/laws/state and local General Plans and Climate Action Plans/ University connections etc, but he has not put this information on his site.

Thank you,
Rosa

we-R-one

5/10/2014 04:14:38 pm

Hi Rosa,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I did see Foster had posted a link to your site on his page here: http://www.thrivemovement.com/agenda-21-q-a-foster-gamble.blog

If you scroll down to the comment section, I asked him the same questions almost a couple of weeks ago and haven’t got a response. That’s when I came over to your site and noticed the dialogue on this page. I’m glad you put together additional information for him such as the formation of the PCSD. People have no idea what PCSD even is or how embedded Agenda 21 is in American policies and procedures due to the efforts of PCSD…..And though it’s long been disbanded, the effects are felt far and wide to this day.

I finally put together a timeline myself in order to share with others how Agenda 21 became incorporated within our country because I got tired of people saying it wasn’t true. I tried to keep the format simple so people could follow with ease. I’d be happy to email it to you for use on your site. In fact, I’m sure you could add additional information making it even better. Once people see it in writing they understand more clearly how this is happening and why so many of us are jumping up and down to wake up the masses to its intentions.

we-R-one

5/10/2014 04:15:13 pm

Hi Rosa,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I did see Foster had posted a link to your site on his page here: http://www.thrivemovement.com/agenda-21-q-a-foster-gamble.blog

If you scroll down to the comment section, I asked him the same questions almost a couple of weeks ago and haven’t got a response. That’s when I came over to your site and noticed the dialogue on this page. I’m glad you put together additional information for him such as the formation of the PCSD. People have no idea what PCSD even is or how embedded Agenda 21 is in American policies and procedures due to the efforts of PCSD…..And though it’s long been disbanded, the effects are felt far and wide to this day.

I finally put together a timeline myself in order to share with others how Agenda 21 became incorporated within our country because I got tired of people saying it wasn’t true. I tried to keep the format simple so people could follow with ease. I’d be happy to email it to you for use on your site. In fact, I’m sure you could add additional information making it even better. Once people see it in writing they understand more clearly how this is happening and why so many of us are jumping up and down to wake up the masses to its intentions.

we-R-one

5/10/2014 04:26:29 pm

oops sorry for the double post....continuing...

What I’ve noticed is few even realize their involvement with various organizations, whether it be government or NGO’s, are promoting the Agenda 21 blueprint. If you work for the government, whether you like it or not, you are most likely pushing its policies due to PCSD…..you can’t get around it and technically you really are a UNITED NATIONS employee. We can thank Leon Panetta for that tidbit of information during a congressional hearing as seen on Youtube……
PENTAGON LAUNCHES DESPERATE DAMAGE CONTROL OVER SHOCKING PANETTA TESTIMONY
http://www.infowars.com/pentagon-launches-desperate-damage-control-over-shocking-panetta-testimony/

And though I’m not trying to put down anyone’s efforts for attempting to make a difference in our world…as far as I’m concerned, anyone who has ties to the UNITED NATIONS either doesn’t ‘get’ what they're representing or….they fully understand and support its mission which I believe is more the case than not….. so Forest is kidding himself if he thinks UNITED NATION allegiance isn’t a factor to consider when bringing someone aboard as a ‘pioneer’ to the THRIVE MOVEMENT. If interested you can follow more of what I found about some of THRIVE’S members here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58819-What-s-behind-the-Thrive-Movement

I wish I was wrong but imo Forest has a serious problem on his hands if he sincerely doesn’t ‘get’ where these people are coming from.

Ronnie Safreed

8/4/2014 03:05:19 pm

Rosa have you heard of Steve Quayle? He is a friend of Alex Jones! Steve Quayle has said "they are not coming to grab the guns from the gun owners but to out-right kill the gun-owners"!!!!! Rosa it is also "reading between the lines of agenda 21"!!!!! Rosa when agenda 21 is fully in the control mode, they are going to outlaw so much human activity!!! Like all wilderness&outdoor activities I see most if not all sports and access to public parks banned! I see art/music/literature being banned, yes artist will not be able to paint, mucisians&singers no longer preforming, access to books/magazines/newspapers restricted totally, also the internet at sometime being cut off for the public!Most if not all hobbies also gone! Even vegetable gardening will be illegal, gathering even a wild tomato/blackberry/strawberry from a vacant lot if seen by the authorities or some survelience camera or predator drone or big brother satellite will land you in trouble! Rosa this cubby-hole stack&pack housing&also the 14 story open barracks/dormitory style housing will not allow much material wealth, a pianist cannot take their piano to either type of housing! Rosa I even see when they move folk into these types of housing all jewelry&watches will be taken even wedding rings!!!! Rosa agenda 21 will take all the precious metals&precious stones jewelry from the jewelry stores&jewelers who try to hide the inventory will be prosecuted! Also the pets(dogs&cats&anything else)will not be permitted in this new housing!!!!! Rosa do you agree with this?????

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