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4/19/2011

We received the following letter and you'll find our response below it.

Dear Democrats Against Agenda 21
I was impressed by the volume and content of information available on your site. On reading your "preamble" though I was disturbed to see your "support" for pro-choice and pro-gay rights. Are you aware these issues are Agenda 21 related in that they both lead to population reduction which may not seem obvious at first glance, but that IS Agenda 21's goal. (50 million abortions since Roe vs Wade)and (Children rarely emanate from gay relationships)
The other issue which may be none of my business,(But an observation) is the splits which may occur when breaking away from the main focus of your site that being "UN Agenda 21" which I'm sure you'll agree would fall right into the Globalists famous trap of infiltration.

Your comments regarding pro-choice and pro-gay rights are interesting. Of course I know that population reduction is a vital part of Agenda 21. However, it is not my duty to have children, although I could have had them at any time over a 20 year period. As a gay person I want and expect to have the same rights and responsibilities that non-gay people have in America. Right now I am penalized by the federal government and most state governments in regards to inheritance laws, state and federal taxes, and approximately 135 other benefits given to non-gay married couples. As a woman I expect to have control over my body and not have the state interfere with my personal choices. That is Communitarianism. Dictating personal behavior is not the role of the state.

I am a liberal identified person who voted as a Democrat for over 30 years. I marched in anti-war demonstations, in pro-gay rights demonstrations, headed up pro-choice groups, advocated for women's rights, and now I am speaking and writing nationally against Agenda 21. I appreciate that others may not share my views regarding my personal choices, but I hope that you understand that dictating a certain point of view regarding morality is counterproductive to the freedom that we advocate as Americans. Life, liberty, and property...your most essential property is that of your own person.

Here's the basic issue: We want to be free to choose. We're not trying to get you to be gay or have an abortion. We want to be free to control our own bodies. You are free to be straight and have as many babies as you wish. And by the way, lesbians and gay men are having children in unprecedented numbers now. Adoption is an option as well as are alternative methods of conception.

We encourage you to recognize Communitarianism in your thinking, even when you'd like to be able to legislate against my personal choices. We can do better than that in America.

Let's not let our minor differences separate us when we are struggling to shed light on and stop UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development. Thank you.

Gary

2/9/2012 04:18:21 am

Thanks for this. While i consider myself a conservative, I could MORE closely consider myself a Libertarian with conservative beliefs, if that makes sense. Personally, I disagree with a same gay lifestyle, and do not support abortion. But clearly you disagree, and that's OK, it keeps life interesting! Besides, I don't want you to tell ME how to live my ife, and in return I'll not try to tell you how to live yours.

The solution to this problem, however, is not to recognize gay marriage or legalize abortion (OK, already legal, I get that), but to completely remove the government from the entire equation. If the government didn't already FAVOR one group (heterosexuals) over another (LGBT), and if the government didn't require a person to get permission from them to get married to begin with...then no problem at all as far as marriage is concerned. In my mind, mariage is marriage whether the government sanctions it or not. Just because I don't believe in or agree with your version of marriage is neither here nor there, and we can have, or can continue to have, that discussion (or not as you choose) till the cows come home...and probably still be good neighbors if the darn GOVERNMENT would just mind its own business.

In my belief system there is God. He gave us all free will to follow Him or not as we choose. Who am I (or my representative: Government) to try and make you believe in or act one way or another. If what I believe is true...your "punishment" (for lack of a better word) will come in the afterlife...and I would be equally punished for trying to compell you (we should all remove the speck from our own eyes before attempting to remove the plank from someone else's).

Anyway, thanks for the space to rant. It is just one of those issues that really galls me. Fighting to get the government to recognize gay marriage is just one group trying to impose their will on another group through government intervention...the same way favoring straight marriage is an attempt to impose that groups will on another.

I say: No marriage licenses, no governemnt intrusion in inheritance, no tax advantages for any group...

Rita Nofsinger

7/31/2012 10:15:53 am

Your explanation demonstrates the crooked thinking that people get into when they want what they want. Abortion is not contraception. Come on! Once that egg comes in contact with a sperm it starts a life. That's elementary biology. In your view is personal liberty only for those who provide the egg? Morality and truth go hand in hand. Have you ever listened to the Dr. Laura talk show. Did you notice that the people who call in for help already know the answer? They're hoping the Doctor will side with them and allow them to do what they want to do with more or less clear consciences. That's what Roe vs Wade has done. If it's legal it must be moral - or at least okay. Right? In our hearts we all know the truth. God has put the truth in our hearts.
In the interest of compromise our previous Presidents who signed on to Agenda 21 obviously didn't put enough thought into what it was all about. Our American World View is quite different from that of most of the world and we may never be on the same page with other nations. The answer is: VOTE in November 2012 and hold the elected accountable.

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